pwoller Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think the chalice craze is starting to slow down. I have had a couple nice Emerald Mummy Eyes on Reef2reef and RC and I'm getting no intrest. For some reaon everyone wants the flame thrower. I wonder why???? Is it going back to zoas or acans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tprize Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think the chalice craze is starting to slow down. I have had a couple nice Emerald Mummy Eyes on Reef2reef and RC and I'm getting no intrest. For some reaon everyone wants the flame thrower. I wonder why???? Is it going back to zoas or acans? Well I am going to buying zoas soon but I like cheap pretty one's haha so that's one customer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidjam Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 It might be slowing down somewhat, but I still think there is a big interest in chalices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJGreene Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 For some reaon everyone wants the flame thrower. I wonder why???? Looks like all you have to do is find some obscure color morph, give it a cool name, sell frags for a boat load of $$, get an article published about you and your new chalice, and then you'll be all set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy_B Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 It's a non-stop cycle of what's been hot for the last 7-8yrs...... It started with sps, and that ran the longest. It then shifted towards ricordea, both yuma and florida. After that slowed down zooanthids picked up and was the hot topic that started the naming of corals. I know there were some names before that, the "Bali Slimer" and "Purple Monster" being one of the names I can remember all the way back to '97 or '98. However, zoos really started the naming of corals, but that's for a whole different subject matter. After zoos had been running for a while a thread poppped up on RC of a guy in Japan who had a 40gal tank full of these brightly colored Favia / Blastomussa looking corals, that seemed to be about every color of the rainbow. Come to find out, he had a tank full of Acanthastrea lordhowensis. This single thread started a coral craze and price increase in corals / fragging that really did a lot of bad in this hobby in my opinion. Colonies were selling on ebay for $800 - $2000, and single polyps were going for $50 - $200. The Acan craze had begun, and started a whole new price point for coral frags and colonies in our industry. During the entire Acanthastrea craze there spin offs of corals that got hot, such as Micromussa's, different species of Acanthastrea, etc.. however the A. lordhowensis was the one that was most popular for the longest time during the Acan craze. Acans ran the longest of any hot coral to date, other than sps, but the "craze" itself was actually different. The chalice corals actually became a really hot item back in '04 or so, when a guy on RC by the name of Beeper_Orchids (Gerry), as well as va_reefman (John Nguyen), and a few others started heavily collecting these. However, there were only a select few at this time looking for them. Once Acans started to die off the chalice corals went crazy, and have fed off of the market pricing that Acans started, and pushing it to a higher level than any coral before. It's hard to say what will be next in my opinion. I could see a lot of people going back to zoos and sps, but who knows. Anyways, that's my two cents worth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffdragon Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I am hearing that CITI's is beginning to limit the inport of some corals. Wellso brains and Euphyllia are two types which will supposedly become hardto come by. Jeremy are you hearing the same thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy_B Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I have not heard that, however there are a lot of variables that fall into this. Euphyllia ancora (Hammer coral) CITES Quota Indonesia: 2000 - 36,000 pcs 2001 - 40,000 pcs 2002 - 25,000 pcs 2003 - 27,550 pcs 2004 - 27,550 pcs 2005 - 24,000 pcs 2006 - 27,550 pcs 2007 - 27,550 pcs 2008 - 28,880 pcs 2009 - 32,000 pcs Now, this is just one species, from one country. There are multiple countries that export Euphyllia ancora, some may have increased quota numbers, while others have decreased. To say that Wellsophyllia and Hammer corals are going to become hard to get is way too generalized of a statement, and doesn't make any sense. Now, to say that Wellsophyllia and Euphyllia ancora from Fiji for example is going to become hard to get, could be a true statement, as that country could have specifically greatly limited the quota number for a particular year. BTW, Indonesia is the largest exporting country of coral in the world, so the example numbers above may seem really high to some. Fiji for example has a quote on the same exact species of coral in the 200pc - 400pc per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy_B Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Also, I forgot to note that Wellsophyllia is not a recognized genus of coral anymore, it has been reclassified by CITES back under Trachyphyllia. In addition to this what we used to call Scolymia deshayesiana (the big puffy meat corals) are no longer classified as Scolymia genus, but rather Acanthophyllia now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJGreene Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Jeremy, Out of curiosity, what is classified as a piece? From your example above with the Hammer corals, would a piece be a single head? Just wondering, as the term "piece" could represent a broad size range of specimans actually collected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy_B Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 A single piece is classified as one solid skeletal structure. For example, if you ship in a branching hammer coral that has a "Y" shaped skeletal structure, with two heads off each tip of the "Y", that is still one piece. Now, you could take this piece and break it in half, and bag it separately, and it's now 2 pieces. If the piece breaks while bagged up, and the bag is opened and inspected, and it's obvious breakage of one single piece, it's still classified as one piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooked Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Looks like all you have to do is find some obscure color morph, give it a cool name, sell frags for a boat load of $$, get an article published about you and your new chalice, and then you'll be all set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puffdragon Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I have not heard that, however there are a lot of variables that fall into this. Euphyllia ancora (Hammer coral) CITES Quota Indonesia: 2000 - 36,000 pcs 2001 - 40,000 pcs 2002 - 25,000 pcs 2003 - 27,550 pcs 2004 - 27,550 pcs 2005 - 24,000 pcs 2006 - 27,550 pcs 2007 - 27,550 pcs 2008 - 28,880 pcs 2009 - 32,000 pcs Now, this is just one species, from one country. There are multiple countries that export Euphyllia ancora, some may have increased quota numbers, while others have decreased. To say that Wellsophyllia and Hammer corals are going to become hard to get is way too generalized of a statement, and doesn't make any sense. Now, to say that Wellsophyllia and Euphyllia ancora from Fiji for example is going to become hard to get, could be a true statement, as that country could have specifically greatly limited the quota number for a particular year. BTW, Indonesia is the largest exporting country of coral in the world, so the example numbers above may seem really high to some. Fiji for example has a quote on the same exact species of coral in the 200pc - 400pc per year. Thanks for the information. As always, there is a lot of questionable information floating around. I was just curious about what I was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 QUOTE (SJGreene @ Oct 28 2009, 09:39 AM) Looks like all you have to do is find some obscure color morph, give it a cool name, sell frags for a boat load of $$, get an article published about you and your new chalice, and then you'll be all set. That sounded a bit harsh to me too? I might be reading a bit too deep into it though. I dont think anyone in the article ever named a chalice. BPC named it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJGreene Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 QUOTE (SJGreene @ Oct 28 2009, 09:39 AM) Looks like all you have to do is find some obscure color morph, give it a cool name, sell frags for a boat load of $$, get an article published about you and your new chalice, and then you'll be all set. That sounded a bit harsh to me too? I might be reading a bit too deep into it though. I dont think anyone in the article ever named a chalice. BPC named it Ah, the beauty of typed text. It was meant to be a joke, not a jab a Katrina. Apparently those little "lol" faces don't do a very good job. You specifically pointed out her Flame Thrower chalice, so in an attempt at humor I made my above post. My post was intended to mock the process at which the FT followed in its rise to popularity. Not to take a knock at Katrina. You said yourself that nobody seems to what the chalice frags you have posted for sale on those other forums. The article on the FT shows how a fancy name on a new coral or color morph seem to make people be willing to pay outragous amounts for a frag or per head/mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy_B Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 And outrageous is a complete understatement in my opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooked Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Ah, the beauty of typed text. It was meant to be a joke, not a jab a Katrina. Apparently those little "lol" faces don't do a very good job. You specifically pointed out her Flame Thrower chalice, so in an attempt at humor I made my above post. My post was intended to mock the process at which the FT followed in its rise to popularity. Not to take a knock at Katrina. You said yourself that nobody seems to what the chalice frags you have posted for sale on those other forums. The article on the FT shows how a fancy name on a new coral or color morph seem to make people be willing to pay outragous amounts for a frag or per head/mouth. I wasn't offended and didn't think you were taking a jab at me Scott. Perhaps I should be flagged for a flagrant misuse of a smilie (it's obviously football season) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted October 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I've had people comment on how big some of the frags I send them are. I always try and give them a fair peice but it makes me wonder if you need a microscope to look at their tanks. SJGreene- Thanks for the clarification on your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJGreene Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 And outrageous is a complete understatement in my opinion! Man, I wish these forums had spell check! Or at least knew how to spell. I knew "outragous" didn't look right, but was just too lazy to double check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tprize Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I guess I'm just to scared to buy a "rare" coral... because it can die... and your wife/fiancee/gf looks at you and says wheres that expensive coral I loved so much haha fun times fun times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 I guess I'm just to scared to buy a "rare" coral... because it can die... and your wife/fiancee/gf looks at you and says wheres that expensive coral I loved so much haha fun times fun times SPS yes. Chalices are pretty tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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