pwoller Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I have been fighting ich and had all of the fish quarantined in hyposalinity. TOday when I came home from work 3 of the fish were dead and the other 2 were breathing heavily and laying on their sides. I pulled them out and put them in a bucket half full of the water they were in and half full with water from my main tank. I added a powerhead and heater and both perked up ereally quickly. I filled another tnk with water fom the main tank and put them in it. Here are the symptoms: Spots, kind of looks like ich but alot of the white spots are really small, kind of dusting. Then the scaleson the fish are standing up. I ahve never seen anything like this. What could be going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTTRFLYGRL Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 The 'dusting' sounds like Velvet....but unless you have added a new fish since pulling the others out, it wouldn't be that. Have you been doing regular frequent water changes? Watching the ammonia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I think that I had an ammonia spike. I fed a bit heavy the night before and I bet all of it didn't get eaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTTRFLYGRL Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I'd say it was probably ammonia poisoning then.. I know I gave you that sponge filter stuff that was in my sump, did you have a filter to use it in? If not, there is a used one at PA for sale. It's behind the desk..I was going to buy it but I keep forgetting I am NOT getting any new fish so I don't need to set up a QT I have more of that sponge stuff in my sump if you need more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I still have the sponge, and it was in a small hang on the back filter. I fed way to heavy the night before so I think it was ammonia too. I just really need to figure out what they have to try and save them. The wrasse looks the worst right now, scales standing up and white all over him. He's still eating though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTTRFLYGRL Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Not sure how often you are changing the water but you might want to try doing it daily and see if it helps. I would do 20-50% if you think you have any trace of ammonia. You can also get those products to add that neutralize ammonia ( Seachems Prime etc...), I prefer water changes but if you can't get to it then this stuff helps some. I am sending you a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy73 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 over feeding wow! see what over feeding can do, brings problems. my point LOL Sorry to here that you lost some of your fish that sucks. do you have good oxygen supplying the tank? Theirs a good product that PA carries called Special Blend that works well with ammonia and will boost good bacterias back to the system. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalare102079 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Alright let's not flame here, remember that animals are at stake here. I would do at least 30% water changes each day for the next 3-5 days. But be sure that the new water is well aerated and at temperature to make the transition easier on the occupants. No "miracle" products needed. just water changes. continue to feed lightly throughout so the fish can keep their metabolism normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 over feeding wow! see what over feeding can do, brings problems. my point LOL Sorry to here that you lost some of your fish that sucks. do you have good oxygen supplying the tank? Theirs a good product that PA carries called Special Blend that works well with ammonia and will boost good bacterias back to the system. Good luck Seriously, dont drag your feeding arguement into this thread too. If it would of been in my main tank, I could of fed a whole flat of rods and it would of been fine. But since it was in a qt, with no critters to clean up the left overs, it all just sat there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy73 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I"m just messing around you guys and girls no affiance! sorry again about the loss on the fish, hopefully everythings coming around for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I really need to identify the problem. I f'ed up and over fed in the QT, caused an ammonia spike, killed 3 fish and damaged 2 others. I have the qt under control now, but still dont know what the original sickness is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTTRFLYGRL Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Is the qt at 1.009 now? Hypo won't kill ich while its feeding on the fish so it will take a few days for the spots to disappear (if its ich) Just keep up the water changes... I'll talk to you later today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Kim ID the parasite as Ick. I'm going to do water changes each night to try and prevent the ammonia spike this time. I have all of the fish out of the display and in the qt in hyposalinity. The tang is too smart for me to catch and the goby never comes out of his cave. I have tryed the bag method, net and even did alittle fishing but cant catch either of them. Any suggestions to catch the last two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstar066 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I have that fishtrap of Ians, works great. You will have them out within 2 days. Just only feed them in the trap. If they are hungry they will go in. Let me know If you want to borrow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 The ones that I caught and put in hypo are all doing better. The tang and a goby won't go in the trap and the tang looks horrible. The goby doesn't show any signs of ich. I'm going to give the trap a couple of days then maybe drain the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I can't catch the goby, he doesnt have any spots on him. All the others are looking good in the QT with hypo. Should I still wait the 6 weeks or should I just put the fish back in the main tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTTRFLYGRL Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 DO NOT put the fish back in the main tank! I usually recommend 6-8 weeks fallow ...but since your Goby is in there the ich has a host and will continue to reproduce. It could take longer or it may be there indefinitely. I would hate for you to get the other fish better only to put them back in the main to break out in ich all over again. I would really try and get that fish out. Having it empty will ensure the ich will die off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 DO NOT put the fish back in the main tank! I usually recommend 6-8 weeks fallow ...but since your Goby is in there the ich has a host and will continue to reproduce. It could take longer or it may be there indefinitely. I would hate for you to get the other fish better only to put them back in the main to break out in ich all over again. I would really try and get that fish out. Having it empty will ensure the ich will die off Any suggestions on catching him. He's very smart, and hides under his rock most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
317pablo Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 i would say food it's the key to get it inside the trap,what trap are you using?ian's trap work real good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalare102079 Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Try placing a really good quality photo of another goby in sexy attire... okay, maybe not, what type of goby is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southstar066 Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Only feed him in the trap... hopfully he will go in, unless he eats pods...then it could be a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I'm using Ians trap but he's just too smart. I had him in there once and pulled the string and he jetted out before the door closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 DO NOT put the fish back in the main tank! I usually recommend 6-8 weeks fallow ...but since your Goby is in there the ich has a host and will continue to reproduce. It could take longer or it may be there indefinitely. I would hate for you to get the other fish better only to put them back in the main to break out in ich all over again. I would really try and get that fish out. Having it empty will ensure the ich will die off I am going out of town for a long weekend. The big tank is fine. Hell I hope the goby starves. But in the QT, do you think I can leave them for a couple of days without food and water changes? Since the ammonia spike I have been feeding in the morning and then syphoning any left overs each night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTTRFLYGRL Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hmmmm...well I guess I am concerned about the amount fish in such a small tank. Water is just not as stable. .. When are you leaving? I can always stop in ,feed and do a water change if you have the water all ready for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwoller Posted May 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hmmmm...well I guess I am concerned about the amount fish in such a small tank. Water is just not as stable. ..When are you leaving? I can always stop in ,feed and do a water change if you have the water all ready for me. I am leaving Friday June 5th till Monday June 8th. So if I feed Friday Morning and do a water change, they should be ok till Monday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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